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Palanis · Jul 12, 2005, 04:07 AM // 04:07

Sorry if this is the wrong area to post this. I started playing Guild Wars not long ago. My friend introduced me to it. After a very brief scan of skills and whatnot-- and because in every other game I've played I have been a mage-- I decided a warrior might be a nice change of pace. My friend (who had not got it long before that, still not ascended) told me that warriors were a solid choice for PvE and PvP.

Well, to make a long story short, I rolled a W/N. I struggled through some of the PvE content due to the ineptness of Alesia, but otherwise I felt my friend was generally right about warriors. Easy to use, works fairly well with any combination. The problem is, I'm now post ascension, and ready for PvP.

I spent literally an entire evening trying to get in a tombs group without a single whisper. All I saw was, "Looking for air elementals"-- or even oreso-- "Looking for R2+ elementals"

It was very frustrating. I have a few questions for some of the vets around here, if you would be so kind.

1) First of all, how am I going to get R2 from Unranked if you need to be R2 or 3 to get in most groups.

2) Is all PvP just an arrangement of what seems most overpowered at the moment on this game? I'll quit right now if I'm going to have to roll an air elemental to get in a group. That's -stupid-. I don't want to PvP an air elemental, I want to pvp -- guess what, whatever I want.

3) What are my options? I don't want to continue playing my warrior if I'm never going to be able to PvP with him. I haven't done any of the post-ascension missions so I'd rather know if I have to reroll. If the problem with PvP is restricted to Warriors I can deal with re-rolling a monk, ranger, mesmer or elementalist.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

telarin · Jul 12, 2005, 04:18 AM // 04:18

You could try PvP in random competition arenas, the entrance is at Lion's Arch, talk to a guy at the docks/jetty and he'll take you to an island outpost. there you just press enter mission to get into random groups to play 4v4.

deathwearer · Jul 12, 2005, 04:23 AM // 04:23

First, this post belong to question & answer post.

1) Well Not every team require you to have a rank level to play with em. Best way to start would be to find a guild that do some PvP, so you might get in touch with it more deeper, (+ you will have higher chance to win with a guild than just random people )

2) Of course like everygame where there is competition, there is what we could call the Flavor of the month. Some good team find that a Air Spiking team is very effective, people around em start to do the same etc etc. So it's end up everyone wana play that way becayse it's seem like a winner strategy. Like in CS, when the top world team show a new strategy, you usualy see a lot of smaller team reproducing that.

If you don't wana play a Air Ele, fine, no one force you, just be patient. Also here, best way would be to find a guild to make some friend that will PvP and won't bother if you don't wana play a Air Ele.

3) you're option? Be patient and find a guild or a group of friend who like to PvP. EVERY class (dual-class) Has a role in PvP, of course there is some build that are more wanted, but every classes has a use and can be very effective if using the right strategy as a team.

Hope it did help.

Mercury Angel · Jul 12, 2005, 04:31 AM // 04:31

1) Obviously they got there somehow. Lucky random pickup groups, or teams with guildmates and friends. Teamspeak or Ventrilo increases your odds of being invited to a team significantly. Also, there're people who feel like you, but don't want to start their own team. YOU could start a team.

2)For many people, yes, yes it is. However, many people isn't all people. Find a guild or friends to go with and you won't have to worry about it. Also, there're groups that play and want people to counter the current in-build, and there're other groups that totally ignore the current in-build. Bear in mind as well that what is 'it' now, will eventually become yesterday's news. Gone are the days where wa/mo's were supposedly uber powerful and everyone was complaining about how you had to be a wa/mo to get a team. It won't always be air elementals, and indeed, spirit spam is something dominant out there as well.

3) Fads ebb and flow everywhere. Changing yourself significantly over a temporary fad is just foolish.
Aside from that, the glory in Guild Wars is that you need only play each profession once to unlock skills, and then you can just re-roll your PvP characters at will. If necessary, you can take existing templates for classes you don't have covered, and then add your own spin to them.
And remember, these fads all started somewhere. With luck and skill, you can end up starting what will become the next one. Or not, who knows.

Recap:
-Get Teamspeak and/or Ventrilo. They help people coordinate in PvP a lot, and many teams want members with one of the above.
-Find a decent PvP Guild. With planning prior to the battle, you can make your own strategy together different from the flavour of the month. With proper thought and consideration of counters, and tweaking after testing, you should be able to hold your own together without having to slap together FotM builds just to be competitive. (Not that I have any actual problem with the FotM. They become what they are for a reason. Someone thought it up and showed the power of a combo, and everyone else came to understand just how effective it was, and decided to adopt it themselves.)
-Play the meta-game and instead of joining the camp, play with the knowledge in mind of what's likely out there, and work a few counters into your build, and do your own thing besides that.

If all else fails, re-roll as a monk primary. Monks are in demand for almost every team, although they may not take you if you're not good enough in their eyes. That's unlikely to change for quite a while regardless of the team. Few other professions are capable of healing their allies, and most can't do it nearly as well. (Kidding on the monk part. If you want action for once, watching red bars go up and down is most likely something you'll detest.)

theclam · Jul 12, 2005, 05:14 AM // 05:14

My advice to you is to get a guild that PvPs. I'd also recommend that you start another character. If you only have skills unlocked from two professions, it will be harder to find a group or fit into a guild group.

Rey Lentless · Jul 12, 2005, 05:21 AM // 05:21

If you have the idea 'I want to pvp with what I want', then you are going to have problems IMO. Most organized builds aren't going to involve skills you would have otherwise used in your build. While playing a warrior certainly doesn't seclude you from pvp, or pick up groups.. wanting to use a specified build might.

I'm not sure if that's what you meant, but if that it is the case, I would try to be more flexible. There are our favorite builds and all, but they might not compliment the other 7 people as well.

My advice would be to join a guild as well. Opening up other professions can help for flexibility, but if you like warriors.. you can restrict yourself to that. Work on unlocking all the skills so you won't be in a position to say 'no, I don't have that', when a team asks you to use certain builds.

Palanis · Jul 12, 2005, 05:25 AM // 05:25

Thanks to all the well thought out responses.

I didn't mean to sound outraged that people use cookie-cutter builds and whatnot. This isn't my first ballgame I know how things go down, it just seemed much more severe than my previous experiences. I would never, and never have, shifted my style of play to fit into what is "in" at the time, as I've found whatever is "in" is almost ALWAYS easily brushed aside by the REAL, elite PvPers. A good example is shaman in WoW. Overpowered to the normal man, dead to the expert PvPer.

The solution to my problems sounds like a solid guild. The problem is, I have already attempted to join 2-3 guilds for just this reason. It ends up they're either not populated enough to run tombs or gvg unless it's scheduled, or if it's a more serious guild they ask me about my tombs/hoh experience, of which I have none.

Any suggestions about finding a good guild? Maybe even one in particular?

I think I'll take the monk suggestion. I have a level 60 priest on WoW so I suppose it's only a natural course of action! If you think healing on GW's is boring try WoW, hah! 6 hours of hitting hotkey 3 for flash heals and the movement arrow for a few seconds after each long pull. Yum.

PS I do have vent and TS and use both.

Okay sorry to be so long winded

I have ONE more question (promise)

Should I continue playing my warrior? Would it even be worth unlocking more warrior skills if I'm never going to build a PvP Warrior or am I just wasting my time? Is it worth it to keep my warrior and possibly farm south shiverpeaks or some such thing for runes and upgrades to unlock?

Racthoh · Jul 12, 2005, 05:48 AM // 05:48

You could keep the warrior to farm for runes and what not... but with the faction system all you have to do is PvP and you'll gain points to unlock goodies for PvP.

=HT=Ingram · Jul 12, 2005, 05:52 AM // 05:52

Honestly it depends on where you play. most of the elite play in the international districts now... they have abandoned the American districts all together. I have found most of the rank 2 or 3 players are in there forming groups.

In the American districts, there are a few... FEW groups that take just about anyone, and they often win a few as well. but not many. the best teams are organized, not random... Using guild members or Friends to form their parties. when they are short they normally are looking for someone to fill a hole they need in their practiced strategies.

Best advice. get into a guild, or form one with your friends. we sometimes do a little recruiting from the arenas, and if we find a really good group we will ask them if they are interested in joining the guild. Your best bet right now will prob be to play the arenas and get the practice in. Then your name gets recognized and will be snatched up for Tomb battles. and eventually once you are in a guild. GvG battles.

Oh and its ALWAYS benifital to unlock more skills for PvP. you can always remake your warrior later with the PvP only builder with everything that you unlocked originally. you never lose that. that's part of the beauty of this system.